From Milk to Meat: Unlocking Deeper Spiritual Conversations | #145

In this episode of the Milk and Honey with Lemon podcast, host Lemon Price shares her personal spiritual journey, discussing her experiences with a high control religious group and her transition to a new church.

Focusing on the importance of theological understanding and women's value in ministry, Lemon emphasizes the need for deeper conversations often missing in church settings.

She explores topics like manifestation, highlighting the distinction between New Age practices and genuine Christian faith, and invites listeners to engage in discussions on leadership, theological truths, and partnership with God, promising to include feedback in shaping future content.

00:00 Welcome to Milk and Honey with Lemon
00:22 Personal Journey and Struggles
00:59 The Role of the Church in Spiritual Growth
05:23 Kingdom Alliance and Shifting Perspectives
08:02 Embracing a Deeper Conversation
08:57 The New Age Movement and Manifestation
09:18 The Source of Manifestation
09:58 New Age vs. Christianity
10:26 Authority and Authenticity
11:23 Deep Conversations and Spiritual Truths
11:54 Engaging with the Audience
13:35 Final Thoughts and Farewell

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:18

Hey, I'm Lemon. I am just like you, sister friend. Talk about stepping into that overflow that God has for us by becoming those ultimate Proverbs 31 women. Hey, I'm Lemon. I am just like you, sister friend. I knew God had something more in store for me, but I couldn't see a way out of the laundry piles and, frankly, I resented that. Proverbs 31 woman. How was I going to live up to the hype? That is until I found out how to really step into becoming this Proverbs 31 woman through leadership development. In this podcast you're going to find financial freedom, leadership, growth and motivation so you'll be able to do all the things God has called you to do with ease and really step into that land of milk and honey.

Speaker 1: 0:59

Welcome back to the Milk and Honey Podcast. I'm your host, lemon Price, and today it might be a weird episode I was not planning on doing this for the episode and yet I felt like I needed to have this conversation today for whatever reason. I have been thinking about this for a long time, like a very long time, and I've said this before on the podcast the church as a whole to me doesn't necessarily bring me the spiritual growth that I want to have. It doesn't necessarily bring me like the deep, like the depth that I want to go, and I don't. Here's what I want to say. I want to be really clear, like I don't fault the church for that. I don't A I don't think it's my pastor's job to spiritually feed me. That's number one. I think his job is to present scripture in a way that gets me to consider something that maybe I hadn't before. I know, just even this last week Sam was studying for his sermon, something about a particular verse stood out to him. He's like I want to just explore this further because I hadn't thought about it before. That's what I think church is good at. I think church can be really good and your pastor should be really good at bringing scriptures to you and getting you to think about it deeper and then going and having a deeper conversation and study about it. So I don't think it's the church's job to spiritually feed me.

Speaker 1: 2:30

The other thing is you just never know who's walking into your church. Glenn has a family member who has a lot of church hurt and is not necessarily interested in a relationship with Jesus church hurt and is not necessarily interested in a relationship with Jesus and yet they were here with us, for this family member was here on Easter and so they agreed to go to church with us and sat in church with us on Easter Sunday. So you just never know who's walking in. I remember I had that experience.

Speaker 1: 3:02

I was part of a very high control religion before I found Jesus like really found Jesus and the first time I walked into the church that my husband and I attend now it's where I met him and everything. It was honestly stressful for me because I was so used to a different way of church. I was used to a different way of people being and dressing and behavior and everything was different. They to a different way of church. I was used to a different way of people being and dressing and behavior and everything was different. They used a different version of the Bible than I used, because the high control group that I was part of had their own version. So so the pastor has a really difficult job. They have to balance your people who've been in church their whole life and are looking to grow, and the people who maybe this particular Sunday is the last time they've decided they're going to give Jesus a chance. So you have to account for both, and so I don't want somebody to listen to this and be like Lemon is anti-church. To listen to this and be like lemon is anti-church. That is not it at all. I just don't think that the church is the place to be fed the meat. I think it's the place where you're like weaning off of the milk. Does that make sense? I hope that makes sense. I don't think you can necessarily go all in on deep theological conversation and over the last probably six months I have done, and Glenn's pointed this out even in the last two years, my understanding of scripture is different.

Speaker 1: 4:33

I used to be a hardcore legalist because I came from a high control group. Then, when I got out, I wanted to know everything that I could because I felt like I was missing something. So I went to school to get a master's in divinity and apologetics and theology and I love all of my apologist friends and they're kind and they're good hearted and the intention is good. However, it was also extremely judgmental. It was almost as judgmental as the high control religious group I was in. I almost felt like I jumped from one high control group to another where I was so afraid to question anything, to interpret scripture in a certain context or ask questions about things. I didn't feel like I had the space to do that and so because of that then I joined Kingdom Alliance. And what I like about Kingdom Alliance is we're non-denominational and that irritates some people that Michelle won't pick a denomination for the organization because we just won't. But what it does is it brings all of these different theology, backgrounds and ways of studying and you get to have legitimate conversation and work through things.

Speaker 1: 5:48

I will never forget where I started going. I think Kingdom Alliance probably shifted things for me a little bit. I will never like July of 2022, I will never forget this as long as I live but I had already started feeling like I had a bigger role in ministry in the church, and this was before the podcast, it was before I went all in with Kingdom Alliance and I will never forget feeling like this is where God wants me to go, and then having a pastor tell me there's nothing that somebody could learn from me, there's nothing his congregation could really learn from me because I'm a woman, and that felt like a gut punch. It felt so disrespectful to the creator in that moment, because I'm like God created me and so therefore, I have inherent value. I have things to bring to the table.

Speaker 1: 6:37

I'm not saying I need to lead your whole church, but what I am saying is I do have value, and so for you to reject my value solely because God created me as a woman is you rejecting creation and God's design for women. And if I had had that conversation maybe a month prior, I would have agreed. But something like I was ready to go deeper in my relationship and so therefore, god took this legalistic viewpoint that I had and shifted it and was like hey, that's actually not how I designed you. To reject the way that I've designed you is a rejection of me. And it shifted how I felt. And so that's my husband and we made the decision that if a church doesn't see value in me solely because I'm a woman, then it's not the place for us and it's not the place we want to be. And so we ended up making an hour drive back to our old church, and now we live closer. So it's not an hour, but my theology started, my interpretation of scripture and how I read scripture and outside studying all those things.

Speaker 1: 7:40

It's different. I wish somebody could see my desk, and I have a giant bookcase behind me and it is full of books and I have more in boxes that I haven't unpacked yet, making Glenn, but I need like a Beauty and the Beast library, because I've done so much studying now and I'm listening to podcasts and just diving in a little bit differently, and so that's really like where I want to go. I still want to talk about leadership development. I still want to talk about you growing your business. I want to talk about you being a wife and a mother and still homemaking, because that blows people away that I homestead and take care of my home and I'm a wife and I'm a mother, but I'm also the marketing director of a publishing house that publishes Christian books. I'm still a top leader in a Christian company. That's how God created me to be, and so I want to keep having this conversation. But I want to go deeper and I hope you're going to hang out with me because I want to talk about things that maybe the church doesn't talk about and the apologetics community is. They're probably going to crucify me I'm going to end up on some apologetics website for saying stuff like this but I want to talk about the fact that the enemy can't create anything.

Speaker 1: 8:50

He can't create anything. All he can do is try to pervert what God has already created. And so I think about the New Age movement and I think about, yeah, I'll just take the new age movement right. So if I look at the new age movement and I have a good friend, she came out of new age I will never forget she said to me. She said, yeah, it works, manifestation, it works. Guess what? I could manifest things that I wanted and I had them. The problem was the source. Where was I getting it from? And that's usually where the conversation stops. But what I've come to realize and understand and we can do a whole episode on this and I'm hoping to bring somebody on who's like really well-versed in this topic but it works. And so if it works, if manifestation works and the enemy can't create anything, the problem is the source. The problem is I was turning to the enemy. The problem is I removed Jesus from it. And I just heard this on a podcast. That was so good. It was like if you're trying to do New Age, is Christianity minus Jesus, right, it's like biblical teachings minus Jesus. Then that's not really correct. The way he explained it was so good it's.

Speaker 1: 10:12

You're driving a car and you have the title. Like, you have to have the title. If you don't have the title, it's stolen, right? You're going to get arrested. You could still drive the vehicle. It will still get you from point A to point B.

Speaker 1: 10:25

The tool is the same, the vehicle is the same, but do you have the authority to use that tool? Do you have the authority to use that vehicle in the manner in which you are using it? When you think about biblical Jesus and you think about the things that Jesus said? Jesus said greater works than these you will do, jesus says. God says our faith can move mountains. The power of life and death is in the tongue God created by speaking and so therefore, like our words have power and the things that we do, it matters. Faith without works is dead. I have to have faith, but I also have to go do things. I have to trust that God is going to show up in partnership with me to do these incredible things. New age is all of that, minus Jesus. It is a counterfeit. The tool and the authority and the vehicle they only work if you have the title. If you take the title away, if you take Jesus away, it is a counterfeit. It's illegal. You do not have the authority to use that tool or that vehicle.

Speaker 1: 11:23

Those are more of the conversations I want to have, and if you guys are down to have those types of conversations, if you're down to talk about these a little bit deeper, start a whole new podcast, tell me, send me a message on Instagram or I'll put it on Spotify and you can answer yeah, talk about this or don't Get a whole new podcast. It's not for me and that's fine. It's not going to hurt my feelings. I just want to know where you stand. Is that the conversation we want to have that? Are we down to go that deep together? Because I hope we are. I hope we are. I hope that this is a place where we can talk about you being a killer, leader and business owner and then also have deep theological discussions at the same time, because that's what this is.

Speaker 1: 12:07

When I think about the land of milk and honey, when I think about ultimate leadership development, it is also knowing deep spiritual truth and really stepping in. That's what the intro says. I want you to step fully into partnership with the Lord, and the only way you can do that is if we have deep conversations that make us uncomfortable. That's the only way I was so uncomfortable with some of the topics I started learning about, so uncomfortable, and I had to check myself. I was like is this, am I uncomfortable because it sounds unfamiliar, or am I uncomfortable because it's demonic and I shouldn't look into it? And so then I had to study and I had to learn and I had to consult scripture. What does it look like in the original language? How would this have been interpreted back then? What do different translations say?

Speaker 1: 12:58

I want to look at all of it and then come to some sort of conclusion in partnership with the Holy Spirit. That's what I want to do and that's what I'm hoping we're going to do. So if you're down, I hope you'll hang out with me. I'm not saying every conversation is going to be like that. Are you okay if we do have those conversations, or are you like Lemon? You need a whole new podcast? This seems like way out there. Go do something else and just stick to the normal stuff that you've been doing, and that's fine. Again, you're not going to hurt my feelings. I just want to know where you're at, because I want to go on this journey with you and I'm hoping you want to go on this journey with me. I hope you have an incredible rest of your Monday. Shoot me a message on Instagram. You can tell me like I'm cuckoo bananas, or you can tell me it's great. I cannot wait to see you next week. Toodaloo friends. Hey friend, what a joy it has been to share today's journey with you.

Speaker 1: 13:54

If you found a spark of inspiration or a nugget of wisdom that resonated, would you bless someone else by sharing this episode with them? It could be the encouragement they need to step into their purpose and calling. Also, if you could spare a moment to leave a review, it would mean the world to me. I really appreciate your feedback and it really helps our community grow. Remember, the road to discovering God's call for you isn't one you have to walk alone. So join me again next Monday for another episode where we'll continue to explore the depths of leadership and the heights of our heavenly calling. Until then, keep seeking, keep growing and keep trusting in his plan. God bless you and I'll catch you on the flip side. Bye, friend.