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Divine Business Strategies for Christian Entrepreneurs: Insights from Psalms' Path with Sean Murphy and Rusty Roberts | #138

September 16, 2024 • Lemon Price, Christian Business Mentor, Leadership, Life Coaching, Speaker, Homesteader, Top Network Marketing Leader, Proverbs 31 • Season 4 • Episode 138

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What happens when a viral social media post sparks a life-changing partnership? On this episode of the Milk and Honey podcast, join us as we chat with Rusty Roberts and Sean Murphy, the visionary founders of Psalms Path Consulting. Their mission is to guide Christian entrepreneurs towards achieving peace and profit through business coaching steeped in biblical principles. Rusty shares the incredible story of his mother’s miraculous recovery from stage four cancer, which inspired him to establish an integrative oncology clinic. Meanwhile, Sean reveals how their fateful encounter began with a single, powerful social media post that blossomed into a deep friendship and a thriving consulting venture.

Discover the profound impact of aligning your business with spiritual truths and the guiding light of Psalm 37:4. We dive deep into the meaning of true godly prosperity, transcending the superficial materialistic interpretations often associated with the prosperity gospel. Rusty and Sean provide invaluable insights on the significance of patience, faith, and co-creating with God to fulfill your divine purpose. Through Lynn’s heartfelt testimony of supporting her church’s ministry, we see how God places extraordinary aspirations in our hearts and multiplies our efforts when we act in obedience and faith.

From the struggles of understanding one's higher calling to investing the Holy Spirit’s gifts in practical ways, this episode provides a treasure trove of wisdom. We discuss the importance of elevating influence to disciple others effectively, critique the modern church’s focus on growth, and address the emerging revival led by women in marketplace ministry. Join us as we explore how sharing personal testimonies and leveraging your story can lead to divine opportunities and transformative success. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation that will empower you to walk in godly freedom and purpose.

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Speaker 1:

Hey, I'm Lemon. I am just like you, sister friend. Talk about stepping into that overflow that God has for us by becoming those ultimate Proverbs 31 women. Hey, I'm Lemon. I am just like you, sister friend. I knew God had something more in store for me, but I couldn't see a way out of the laundry piles and, frankly, I resented that. Proverbs 31 woman. How was I going to live up to the hype? That is until I found out how to really step into becoming this Proverbs 31 woman through leadership development. In this podcast you're going to find financial freedom, leadership, growth and motivation so you'll be able to do all the things God has called you to do with ease and really step into that land of milk and honey.

Speaker 1:

Welcome back to the Milk and Honey podcast. I'm your host, Lemon Price, and today I have Rusty Roberts and Sean Murphy. They are the founders of Psalms Path Consulting and they help Christian entrepreneurs achieve more peace and profit in their business through transformative business coaching that has its roots in scripture. They integrate a real business strategy with everlasting biblical principles. They have over 30 years of experience. Through just the work that they do, they have inspired over 150,000 people to embrace their divine path, achieving success and fulfillment by aligning their work in spiritual truths and community engagement. So just thank you for being here, gentlemen, I'm excited.

Speaker 2:

Thank you.

Speaker 1:

I'm excited, so I would love for you guys Tell me like a little bit about yourselves and how you guys even connected. Are you lifelong besties or is this new?

Speaker 2:

Sean created a viral post, or post, a year and a half ago 2022. Yeah, and we met each other through that post. He had put out an offer. Why don't you tell them? Put it on the up.

Speaker 3:

So I put out an offer. I was stepping into the online space for the first time after running several different gym models over the past 20 years and after COVID happened, I was like, okay, we're going to do something different. I'm going to help other people in online space. He answered us when I jumped into it and I was going to help them out with their marketing and whatnot. So I put out this little reel five Bible scriptures to help you with your business.

Speaker 3:

And along comes this fellow and he books a phone call with me. And here I am, thinking it's going to be a sales call, and the first words out of this knucklehead's mouth is my name is Rusty and I don't need your help. Why did you book this call with me, right? He just shared his heart. I love what you're doing in space. I love your heart for God, I love the scriptures that you're sharing and I just wanted to get to know you.

Speaker 3:

And I tell you that was really a blessing intervention, that was a divine meeting that God paired us up, because a 30-minute book call turned into a three-hour conversation and we have been brothers in Christ ever since and we just started talking about the Lord, what he's done for each of us, what he's done businesses, what he's done personal lives and I got to tell you we're just like okay, like we're seeing so so many similarities here that we just want to bring so much of this message to other people, especially people who are lost in there.

Speaker 3:

They don't know what their purpose is, they're not really sure where God is in their lives. Rusty shared with me something very powerful that I'm going to turn it over and let him indulge your listeners with, and it's called Psalmlemn's Path, and he really discipled this over me. He said I see you doing this. You probably don't even realize it. And when he discipled it over me, I was like dude, this is good stuff, this is good stuff. I wrote it on my whiteboard and I've been following ever since, and new doors of opportunity have just opened up. One of these opportunities is being on podcasts such as yours. So, rusty, I want you to share Psalm's Path and really what it means for everybody here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I didn't realize Psalm's Path. It took years for it to come into full focus for me, but I took scripture right out of the Bible and I built real medical with it. I'm not a doctor. I quit nursing school before I started. I've never owned a lemonade stand, I've never had a brick and mortar of any kind, but the Lord had laid it on my heart that you're going to create an integrative oncology functional medicine clinic in Scottsdale, arizona. I'm the son of a stage four cancer survivor so I had some type of idea in the realm. I was a advocate for many years for cancer patients, as my mom had a miraculous healing from stage four end-of-life non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and we started sharing her story on the internet. We found over the course of about 10 years, most cancer patients that went to Mexico and we were helping people find Mexico turns out most 8 out of 10 didn't want to go there and their family didn't want them to go there. So, as businessmen and having some acumen that the Lord was like you're going to open up a clinic in Scottsdale so in 2019, we did. You're going to open up a clinic in Scottsdale so in 2019, we did. And it's a wonderful place of healing and it's growing. We're taking a possession of a 16,000 square foot facility that's being custom made for us now and be open about January. But the purpose for me sharing all of that is not so we can say, hey, rusty, right, it's a great place of healing. God forbid, anybody has cancer or knows someone with cancer, reach out to Brio Medical. We have the top clinicians in the country. It's absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 2:

But it's the scripture that's most important and I had found in 2017, a scripture jumped out off of the page Psalm 37, verse 4, delight also in the Lord and he'll give you the desires of your heart. I found out in other scripture in my studies that in James, chapter 4, verses 1 through 3, our desires get people killed. These are horrible things to have. These desires start wars and fights among us. So why would the Lord give us the desires of our heart if they go and get people killed? And the answer is they're not ordinary desires. These are not desires that we can concoct on our own behalf. These are what we call righteous desires, because in Isaiah 54, verse 17,. The Lord says and their righteousness comes from me, says the Lord, righteous desires are what he wants to give us. This is a game changer. This changes everything. Every Christian should reach out and want this. Not only does the Lord say he wants to give them to us, he guarantees the results. In Psalm 37, verse 5, he says when you trust the Lord and commit your way to Him, he will bring it to pass. So this righteous desire that he wants for you, he wants to make it your reality. Now it turns out.

Speaker 2:

Psalm's path, which is Psalm 37, verses 1 through 8, is an invitation to co-create righteous desires with the Lord. It's absolutely. And the Lord wants to equip us, just like he did the disciples back in the day when Jesus was there. He wants to elevate us. We know that righteous desires are not normal, because when you read in Ephesians 3.23, it talks about how they're bigger than you think and more than you ask for, according to His riches, not our own. So righteous desires are bigger than what we could make in our own human capabilities, and I offer my life as an example, because I put all of this to the test and the Lord laid it all out and made everything in my life. The Scriptures jump right off the page and became my life and became my life.

Speaker 2:

So Psalm 37, verse 4, is the beginning of invitation to co-create, which means that you and I that take a hold of this wonderful opportunity have responsibilities. He's not going to do it. He will do it for you, but he's not going to do it without your participation. He doesn't rue us. So when you read Psalm 37, verse 3, 4, and 5, you see what the Lord says that he wants you to do. It has nothing to do with your college education, what color or race or gender or what continent you were born on. None of this matters. What does matter is that you trust him. He wants you to do good, which is, display good fruits of the Spirit. He wants you to dwell in the land.

Speaker 2:

This is about dwelling upon him morning and night, right, to think about him. Also, feed on his faithfulness. That's because you got to get tapped into scripture. You got to be reading his word on a daily basis. Then he says delight. Delight really means enjoy him. Enjoy that time with him, right, enjoy him. What a wonderful thing that we are given. No one should pass this opportunity up to actually enjoy a relationship with the Creator of the universe through Jesus Christ. Take a hold of what we've been given Everyone. Don't miss that opportunity, don't miss that invitation.

Speaker 2:

Then, in verse 5, commit your way and trust in Him. When you do those things, he's going to give you a desire. When you do those things, he's going to give you a desire. It's going to be bigger than you think, more than you asked for, and he's going to make it your reality. You'll find in John, chapter 15, verse 7 and 8, this comes really into full fortition, as the Lord tells us why he does this bait. It's bait, remember. Jesus is only making fishers of men. Fishermen don't Bait. It's bait. Remember Jesus is only good fishers of men. Fishermen don't go without. That's bait. What is this bait? He's promising to give you something that you're going to really want. In return, he's going to get something he wants from you, and that's a disciple. And he tells us that in John, chapter 15, verse 7 and 8, you could ask anything you desire to be done for you. By this you'll show good fruit, right, our Father's glorified, and you show yourself where Jesus decided. So what a wonderful opportunity we've been given. So, sean and I have taken upon ourselves.

Speaker 2:

I've written a book. It's in production right now. It should be out, hopefully in the fall, called Psalms Path, but we also offer this as a course. We're putting it together now. We'll have it on PsalmsPathcom shortly. It's really designed to take anyone who's looking for their higher purpose, no matter what it may be, and bring it into reality. This desire that the Lord has for you. He has it picked out, custom-made for each and every one of His children, right, each and every one, custom-made by the Creator of the universe, just waiting for you to reach out and accept it. What a wonderful gift the Lord has given us. And the scriptures prove it.

Speaker 2:

And we know that you'll be getting answers to your prayers because in 1 Corinthians 1.20, 2 Corinthians 1.20, where it says all the promises of God are yes and amen, right, all of them. So for those brothers and sisters that we have out there that don't get answers to their prayers, it's because they don't know how to live in the Lord's promises. When they do, all of their prayers will be answered with a yes. What a wonderful thing. What do you think?

Speaker 3:

I want to hear from Lynn.

Speaker 2:

I think you just got lit on. I can touch you all day long. What do you got, lynn, and what do you think?

Speaker 1:

No, I love this so much because I think I hear all the time from people that, oh God doesn't, it's better to be humble and he's not going to give you things. There has to be suffering. There are the only things that you have to have in order to be impactful, and I don't think that's necessarily true. Right, like I love that you said it's a yes and amen. I love that you talked about this righteous desire. Right, because he's not going to give me like sinful desires. Right, because I don't know, let me give you those desires that are sinful. It's the righteous desire and just this big shift and there's so much I want to talk about.

Speaker 1:

I love this conversation about he's going to give you desires that are bigger than yourself. That's been very true in my experience where I've had I remember last year we were church my church funds our local backpack buddies ministry in full every year in one service and I remember sitting there last year and all of a sudden I got the feeling like my business needs to match my church's donation because of the economy this ministry has to fund in full and I'm sitting here. I'm like there's no way that I got that, but my husband and my 10-year-old at the same time got the same thing. But for me they're like Mom, I think this is what you're supposed to do. That is so much bigger than I could ever want or do and I'm like, but yeah, but that's my heart, that's my passion and that's a righteous desire that I have. And, god, let me take this small thing that you thought you could do and expand upon it exponentially and give you something a whole lot bigger and be a just oh, I just love this conversation already.

Speaker 3:

That's the key right there, lemon. The key is so many times, when we look at our lives and we look at what is God calling me to do, we can think on a big, grand scale and we're like this is never going to get done. But I would submit to you and I would submit to anybody listening, that our smallest of actions, god, will turn into the biggest of miracles, and I know that to be true with how me and Rusty met when I just stepped on that life space and it's real. So I wasn't even able to follow it, keep up with the comments or the shares or any of that, because looking at my phone was like blinding me for seven days, minding me for seven days. So in the background, I'm sick, I need to be working right now, I need to be doing more and I can't do anything because my head is buried in a pillow. This video has gone viral in the background. I don't even know it. So the next time I look at it, I went from 2,000 followers to 35,000 and it kept growing and it went well over 100,000 new followers in 28 days.

Speaker 3:

Why? Just one simple action of stepping out of obedience, stepping out of faith, and then put it in God's hands and then let him multiply it. We know that God is a multiplier. We know he's the greatest mathematician out there. His first command was be fruitful and multiply. So when we put it in his hands, he will do the work. This is why we want to trust in him. This is why we want to commit our ways to him. This is why we want to be faithful to him.

Speaker 3:

I love what Psalms chapter one talks about. We will be like a tree planted by the streams of water and everything. That tree will prosper, it will weather the storms, it'll always produce good fruit. Because why? Because we're feeding on his faithfulness, because we're rooted in him. Because we're feeding on his faithfulness because we're rooted in him and that's what Jesus says again in John, chapter 15 is when you remain in me and my words remain in you, I am divine. I am divine If you remain in me and my words remain in you. Ask whatever you desire and it will be done for you. It'll be given to you. But apart from me, you will be nothing. You could do nothing. So let's remain in the good word. Let's remain faithful in our lord and savior. Let's lean on his promises, let's lean on his precepts. I I submit to you that god is about just a few things. He's about his promises, he's about his principles and he's about his people, and he's not going to break a single one of them.

Speaker 2:

Never does.

Speaker 3:

Never does.

Speaker 2:

It's important that we understand that the glory of the Lord is to work through us and the Lord doesn't cut corners. He doesn't. He wants to do amazing things. He doesn't bring down the angels to do all of this work for us. He wants us to do it and he's called everyone. You're right, we all have the same mandate. We all have the same higher purpose, that's to be disciples who make disciples.

Speaker 2:

So if anyone who's I don't know what my higher calling is, because you haven't been paying attention, in fact, in Matthew 22, 29,. It is the epicenter of any and every thing that goes wrong in our life. Any wall you can't get over or through, or if you don't know your higher purpose or calling. Matthew 22, 29 is what tells us why. Jesus is having a conversation with the Sadducees at the time. So he's directing his speech to them and he says you're in error because you don't know the Scriptures nor the power of God. So if you're having some kind of problem or it could be anything whether you don't know your higher calling or something's going wrong in your life, it's because you don't know the scriptures. Jesus is promising that if you know the scriptures you'll see the power of God. So, this mountain you can't get over, you'll flatten it. This gorge that you can't cross, he'll bring it together right. The sea you can't get through, he'll part it for you. He'll make a way. He's the way maker.

Speaker 2:

But we must open up our Bibles and know the scripture. Now, the problem that we see with people is okay, I have my Bible, now what Right? What scripture is it that I'm supposed to be reading? And they can get lost. They either don't know what to read or, when they do read it, they don't know what it. Yeah, this is what Psalm's path was all about. It's some of the most life transforming scriptures in the Bible. Outside of our thank you, lord, our salvation, did they ever tell you what the new life was?

Speaker 1:

No, of course they don't.

Speaker 2:

No, they don't. And it's just this go and be a good Christian, right? No, that's not what the Lord said. So Psalm's path is laser, focused, life transforming scriptures that are all about what that new life is, and our churches are not doing our brothers and sisters a service at all. We found that 89% of most churchgoers don't know what their higher calling is. That means our churches are failing us, and so we're stepping in and doing our part, just like you. You're doing your part to bring that to our brothers and sisters. Hey, here's what the Lord is offering.

Speaker 2:

What we're finding is that most people don't live in godly freedom in every aspect of their life, whether it's their mortgage or money should I say money, or relationships. They're struggling, and if you don't know what it means to have godly freedom in a relationship, let's take that for an example. It means that you have to spend time working on godly freedom. No, you don't. I've been married 31 years. We don't. Our marriage isn't work. It's not, it's a relationship, and my wife and I enjoy worshiping our father and having a relationship together. We don't work at our marriage, our finances. Sure, there's good times and bad times, there's ebbs and flows, but we live in godly freedom in our finances. I don't have to worry if the mortgage is going to get paid. I know it's going to get paid. I know these things are going to be taken care of. My relationships with my children. They're not trained, so does that make sense? You know that most of our brothers and sisters are not walking in godly freedom, and here's why they don't know their identity. Why did Jesus say you must be born again? This is a big one. When you're born, you have an identity. We're born into their home and they give us our identity. But when you're born again, you have a new identity, and people don't know how to go and claim that.

Speaker 2:

It comes out of the book of Luke 19, verse 11 through 26. It's the parable of the minutes, and this is where Jesus, between Palm Sunday and actually going to the cross, he senses that hey, they're going to want to make him king. Right, he's. Hey, I got to put a stop to that. So he tells them this parable. But this parable is so profound. It's telling us exactly who we are as children of God here on this planet, and whenever the life everlasting comes into play in His kingdom, he tells us what that's like too. What is it?

Speaker 2:

The parable of the men is, in short, synopsis, and as in short synopsis, a noble man gives his servants a, probably in today's, maybe, a million dollars or so worth of money to go and invest. Right, one invested it, turned it into 10. No-transcript the one that turned one into ten. Good, well-done night-faithful servant. Be in charge of ten cities. The one with five. Be in charge of five cities, the one who buried it. You're a wicked servant, right? So here we are. What is the minutes? What does it represent? It represents the Lord's Holy Spirit that he gives you.

Speaker 2:

He gives you this wonderful, amazing gift of his Holy Spirit. A portion of that we are supposed to go and invest, go to work right and then build it. And when they put it to work, the Lord gives you more. Well, what was it? Elijah and Elisha?

Speaker 3:

I always get the two mixed up.

Speaker 2:

One says ask me what you want and he said I want a double portion of your spirit. Why? Because he knew the Holy Spirit was the most valuable thing on the earth. He knew it. What are we supposed to be doing here, lemon? We're supposed to be taking the portion of the spirit that the Lord has given. Put it to work. If you don't have a starting point, the Lord offers you that Enjoy a real relationship with me and I'll give you a righteous desire and I'll make it your reality. Well, you're guaranteed to want it and you're guaranteed to get it right. This is an incredible offer, and when you're working and living out that righteous desire, the Lord is going to elevate you so that you change the world around you.

Speaker 1:

This is our higher call. This is our higher purpose.

Speaker 2:

It turns out there's five criteria to a righteous desire, so that people can actually test it. Because in 1 Thessalonians 5, the Scripture tells us test all things, hold fast what is good. When you have a desire, it's best that you know how to test it, to know that it is a righteous desire. So for those people who enroll in our course or acquire the book, give them those five criteria Absolute, and they'll know without a shadow of a doubt hey, this is a righteous desire the Lord has given me and therefore the answer is yes and amen. I will get it if I just do what he tells me to do. One of them is don't fret.

Speaker 1:

I love this and y'all I will link to everything in the show notes for you. But I love this conversation and I'm glad you brought up the church. I feel like the church as a whole right the big C church is failing believers in a lot of areas and I'm seeing a lot of people who are stepping out in really big callings and God is elevating them in these really big ways because they're bringing some truth that I feel like churches are not sharing anymore. I would love kind of your opinion on maybe why the church is.

Speaker 2:

We do have an opinion.

Speaker 1:

I love opinions.

Speaker 2:

It appears that the church is interested in their growth, not yours.

Speaker 3:

That was Billy Graham. Billy Graham said an evangelical movement will be in the marketplace.

Speaker 1:

That is really funny. My friend, michelle Schaefer she had this just downloaded into her spirit a couple of years ago that there would be a big revival and that it would come through marketplace ministry and that women would be a big proponent of it. And I was like I love it and that's the work she's doing. And so I was like it's super cool to see, I think, the way the Lord is just hey, it's time now, like we're ready for some next level conversation.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's totally given us authority and tools that we never had before, and the reason the Lord wants to elevate, the reason these righteous desires are bigger than you think, more than yet, is because the Lord wants to elevate you. This is what we teach in our course. You are supposed to increase your influence, absolutely unequivocally. Each and every Christian is supposed to increase their influence, and the internet allows us to do that. Look, you're a prime example of that. Right, why are we supposed to increase our influence? It's so that we can train other disciples.

Speaker 2:

Right, when you look into the Scriptures, people were following disciples. Why? Because they were able to raise the dead, cast out demons, make the blind see Jesus placed inside of them amazing gifts and people were drawn to them. We have the same Holy Spirit, and Jesus didn't stutter. He said you'll be able to do these things and more, because I'm going to send you a helper. This is no longer just an invitation, this is an obligation, and he's not going to ill-equip us, and the fact that our churches have not been absolutely been huge advocates for this is where they're failing. They need to be building each and every person to go out there and be a disciple who's elevated, draw their lives, their very lives, draw people to them and they make more disciples. But it does appear that churches are more interested in their growth than yours, and I think that's where they're failing.

Speaker 1:

I love this conversation because I agree wholeheartedly and I love that you said that the Lord does want to elevate you. That has been 100% been my experience. The podcast wasn't something that I actually wanted to do. God and I argued about this podcast. Yes, people, you can argue with the Lord. I did. It didn't. Obviously it didn't go in my yeah, it didn't go the way that you know David Moe.

Speaker 1:

Right, obviously, I didn't win the argument because I started the podcast, but I had one in 2018. And I've said this before Don't Google it, you won't find it. It was the worst podcast ever on the internet. It's been scrubbed from the internet as best I can. It was awful, and so I was like I'm not going to do this again. But I was in such a different place with my faith that when I started the podcast, within a couple of months, we had the Forbes feature before we even hit our first year on the podcast, and I I'm like I got to talk about Jesus and Forbes.

Speaker 2:

Dude, you've been walking some path, even though you may not have even realized.

Speaker 1:

See now, I know, I love it, but what?

Speaker 2:

do you do when people are like that's really prosperity gospel of you? Agreed, and here's my answer to that. This is prosperity gospel, 100%, but it's actually real prosperity gospel. This isn't like Joel Osteen, this is actually the Lord's plan, and he does want us to prosper. He wants people to be drawn to our lives. He wants us to be special. Right, wouldn't we want our kids to be special? Absolutely so. I've been asked that before. It actually sounds like prosperity gospel and the answer is you bet it is, but to what?

Speaker 3:

end. That's a missing component. Prosperity, gospel, to what end? To bring honor and glory to our Father in heaven, showing yourself to be a disciple. Those two components are not there. Forget about it. Then you are stepping out of place. Now you are maybe stepping into the greed and the prosperity that goes the other direction. And what's in it for me? No, what's in it for our Father in heaven? What's in it for others?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Remember, we're not talking about fleshly desire. So when someone is normally talking about prosperity gospel, they're talking about flourishing and fleshly desires. Did that glorify the Lord Amid? But did I get a big fat bank account? Do I have a nice car? These are all fleshly things and the Lord's saying that when we pray about these things, we're praying amiss, which means you're praying inappropriate prayers and therefore, therefore, he just ignores them. But when we start chasing righteous desires, the things that the Lord wants to say yes to, yes and amen, you will get yes and you will be given an amen to it and, yes, you will prosper. It's not prosperity gospel in the sense of just fleshly desires. No, this is true prosperity gospel that the Lord wanted for each and every one of his children, for us to be elevated disciples lacking nothing, walking in godly freedom in every aspect of our lives, pouring ourselves out to others as a drink offering and showing ourselves as disciples of the Lord. That's actual, real prosperity gospel and that's why we wrote Psalm's path. It was actually King David that wrote it early, right, I just happened to recognize the Lord just laid it on the heart.

Speaker 2:

Words jump off of the page and I'm like I'm going to pin them to the mat, so to speak, on that. And I started asking him by saying I don't know what I want, Would you speak on that? And I started asking him by saying I don't know what I want, Would you give me a want? And I prayed that for about two years and when the time was right, the Lord laid it in. I knew exactly what I wanted. I said I know what I want. I'm going to go build this clinic. And I did.

Speaker 2:

We're against formidable opposition. No one thought I could do it. They thought I was crazy and the only ones who believed me were the ones that. But I'm paying them to believe me. They still work with me today. My naysayers said congratulations, I didn't know you could do it. Guess what? That is all written right in the scriptures. Written right in the scriptures. I walked each and every one of those scriptures so that I could be a living testimony today to say go, take him for his word. He will do these things for you and he tells you what to expect along the way and what he expects from you and he guarantees you to make this your reality. It is absolutely incredible. Each and every one of your listeners. I thank you for allowing us to be here to share this with you. I would encourage them to connect with us, because what do we do? This course is 27 bucks, right, we're giving it away.

Speaker 2:

We did not make it unobtainable. The Lord said I remember asking. I was having a conversation with him. I'm like what do you?

Speaker 1:

want from me. What do you?

Speaker 2:

want from me. He says I want growth. Go back here Every time the Holy Spirit speaks. It's congruent with whatever's in his he wants us to multiply Be fruitful and multiply right, make more disciples.

Speaker 2:

So, yes, we do offer a very simple course that explains Psalm's path and what righteous desires are, how to identify them. So what the five criteria are, what your responsibilities are as a co-creator Because, yes, the Lord does want to co-create with us. He manifests on your behalf, he will bring people into your life, he will orchestrate the circumstances and bring this wonderful righteous desire into your life. And then guess what? Once you obtain that one, he'll give you more, and it's not just one, it's over and over again, over and over again.

Speaker 1:

It does say desires of the heart, desires I love that we I feel I could do a whole episode later on just like linguistic theft and how, like culture and the big c church and things have taken these concepts and these words and changed them and manipulated them, where you're not actually getting real biblical truth. Because I feel like we've touched on that a lot and I love, love it. And I also love that you said you prayed about this for two solid years. It didn't happen overnight. You didn't just like wake up. You're like I'm gonna pray about this and tomorrow. Now I have this desire and my whole life is simple and a cakewalk, because I think that's what people expect to just going to show up like a genie and wave a magic wand and everything's going to be fine. That's not. I really like that. You said this because there is some waiting sometimes and there is things you've got to walk through, like it is not all sunshine and rainbows.

Speaker 3:

I'll touch on that real quick, because there might be someone listening today who's you don't understand my circumstance. I'm in pain right now, I'm going through the fire, and I'll say to that person you're right where God needs you to be, because he is going to take a situation that you are in and he could turn that to a greater purpose. We find this in Romans I think it's 828, for everybody, that the Lord turns all things to good according to his purpose, to those who love him. Those are key components there, right? So this is what Psalm is all about is loving him, spending time with him, and then he gives us the delight to my heart.

Speaker 3:

So, with that said, turn your pain to your purpose. This is something I had to go through. I was someone who hated my life so much that I tried to end it in 2017. And it was all due to just a whirlwind of stuff that happened in my life. Right, I'm not going to go into that, but what I would say is today I serve a purpose because of my pain and what I went through, and so what I would offer the person today is stop focusing so much on your situation, stop focusing so much on your circumstances, stop focusing so much on your pain and where you're at, but instead start looking at what is god's purpose for me?

Speaker 3:

On the other side of this, I'll give you this clue the person that you are most equipped to help or to serve. Because, first, timothy 410 says each one should use whatever gift they have received to serve others. Okay, we all have a gift, we all have a purpose, we all have these things, but the person you're most qualified to help is a person that you have already overcome. Are you standing on your story today? Have you overcome a trial? Have you overcome a challenge? Have you overcome alcoholism, drug use, pornography, being overweight, whatever? You can use that to leverage your story, your testimony, to step onto your purpose, to serve others, bring in glory and honor to our Father in heaven, and also to show yourself as your disciple.

Speaker 3:

I would say tap into these three things. We know that we're called to stewardship, so tap into these three things in your stewardship. Tap into your time. How are you spending your time? Are you spending time with the Lord? Are you trusting in Him more? Number two look at your talents. What are the gifts God has given you? What are the skills that he's given you? What are those things that he's given you. And number three what is your testimonial? A lot of people say, tap into your treasures. I say tap into your testimonial, tap into your story. Paul did it. He shared his testimony over and over again. You could find it in Acts, you could find it in his letters. So tap into those three things. You'll discover your purpose, you'll discover what God wants for you and again you'll stop focusing so much on your pain and your circumstances and you will see the light at the end of the tunnel and you can start moving forward towards it.

Speaker 1:

I love this. Okay, we could be here all day.

Speaker 1:

I know that we could all day. I know that we could. This is so good. Okay, I'm going to have to have you guys back for sure, because I literally was taking notes while you guys were talking, and I will when I edit and do all of the things, because this was just so phenomenal. You both are phenomenal.

Speaker 1:

I just want to thank you both for your service to the country, to what you're doing and the way that you're walking with the Lord and the way you're pouring that out. I think we do have such a responsibility and an obligation and I am just super grateful that you both have answered the call that God has put on your life and the way that you're using it to pour out and then glorify Him in the process. Like we just need more, especially men. I think we need more men doing that. I have a deep passion for this. I've told my husband this. He knows. I just think when men are really solid in their purpose and their walk with the Lord, it changes the entire world, and so I just want to thank you both for being those men.

Speaker 2:

So just thank you for being here. It's been our pleasure. We were called to do it. The Lord gave us righteous desires, we're living examples of the scriptures and the invitation is there for each and every one of us. Right, once you have Christ, you have all of these wonderful promises and the Lord says yes to all of them. But the Lord knew everyone was going, who would go to heaven and who wasn't. Why didn't he just make us there in the first place? Yeah, it seems like a reasonable question, right. Why not just put us there? Then there would be no hell, there would be no need for any of that. There is an answer in John 5, verse 17. But Jesus answered them.

Speaker 2:

My father has been working until now and I have been working. So if you're wondering what's my life about? This is it? They're still cutting corners. The Lord didn't cut corners. He put us through to do the work and he tells us what work he wants us to do. And then he says I'll equip you. Ephesians 3.20,. Bigger than you think, more than you ask, he's already embedded something in you, and we can see that in Philippians 2.13,. Right, it is the Lord who is working in you to will and to do according to his good purpose. Another word for will is desire. So once you start, having a man.

Speaker 2:

I want to have a right desire. Guess what that is? That's a righteous desire, and it's the Lord who puts it in there, because it's not actually in our nature to want to have a righteous desire, because it's bigger than it has. Kingdom purposes right? The Lord's not going to let us cut corners. You're right.

Speaker 2:

It took me two years and I'm going to let everybody know. How did I know the moment when it happened? Because I went bankrupt and I was like this is really interesting. I'm in this moment of I'm bankrupt. No one would know it. It was because he cut all the doors off. He cut my opportunity off and set in front of me a new goal, and so now I got nothing to lose and with that I charged that hill, I took it and made these amazing things happen. But it was something that he had embedded inside of me. It's something inside of you, but it's bigger than you think and it's more than you ask. But you will need to be patient and you will have to do real work and then to get it. But I guarantee you this you'll want it and it'll be worth it.

Speaker 3:

Amen.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I love that you said that it also takes work, because I think people forget that work was part of the original plan. It was a command to Adam before the fall. Before sin entered, he was told to go and work and take dominion and all of those things that happened before the fall. So work was always part of the equation. This is so good, right.

Speaker 3:

I could be so.

Speaker 2:

I was like you can't get this done in 20 minutes.

Speaker 1:

I know we couldn't. And I love that. I love just the richness and the depth. So where can everybody go Connect? I love just the richness and the depth. So where can everybody go connect with you?

Speaker 3:

And I'm going to link it in the show notes for them too. Sure, the best place if anybody has any personal questions or wants to even start a conversation find us on Instagram. We found that is just the easiest place with us inside the DMs, but it's Psalm's Path. No special characters, no punctuations, anything but Psalm's Path. On Instagram. You can start a conversation with us in the DMs. Follow us there. We're giving away a lot of good content in there as well, about righteous desires, how to turn your pain into your purpose, and so on and so forth. You'll see even more about our personal stories on there as well. Right now, as a free gift, you can download the book, the ebook absolutely free, and send us a DM Psalms Path and we'll hook you up with the book. We'll just send it directly to you through the DMs and you can check out more at PsalmsPathcom if you want to. But I would say that Instagram Psalms Path that's going to be the best place to connect with us.

Speaker 2:

We'll be loading the e-book. The free e-book is there already on PsalmsPathcom. All they got to do is just put in their name and email and we'll fire it off to you. But we'll be adding a short course to this for just $27.

Speaker 1:

I love it y'all. I will link to everything and again, just thank you both. This was incredible, so just thank you God bless you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 1:

Sure, Welcome back to the Milk and Honey podcast. I'm your host, Lemon Price, and today I have my first double guest. I'm actually really excited. So I have Rusty Roberts and Sean Murphy. They are the founders of Psalms Path Consulting and they help Christian entrepreneurs achieve more peace and profit in their business through transformative business coaching that has its roots in scripture. We talk a lot about Jesus and they integrate a real business strategy with everlasting biblical principles. They have over 30 years of experience and through the work that they do, they have inspired over 150,000 people to embrace their divine path, achieving success and fulfillment by aligning their work in spiritual truths and community engagement. Thank you for being here, gentlemen. I'm excited.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, lynn, appreciate you having us on.

Speaker 1:

So I would love for you guys to tell me a little bit about yourselves and how you guys even connected. Are you like lifelong besties, or is this new?

Speaker 2:

Sean created a viral post. What a year and a half ago, 2022.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And we met each other through that post.

Speaker 3:

I was stepping into the online space for the first time after running several different gym models over the past about 20 years and after COVID happened, I was like, okay, we're going to do something different. I'm going to help other people in online space. He answered this when I jumped into it and I was going to help them out with their marketing and whatnot. So I put out this little reel five Bible scriptures to help you with your business. And along comes this fellow and he books a phone call with me and here I am thinking it's going to be a sales call. All right, get this thing rolling. And the first words out of this knucklehead's mouth is my name is Rusty and I don't need your help. He just shared his heart. I love what you're doing, I love what you're doing in this space. I love your heart for God, I love the scriptures that you're sharing and I just wanted to get to know you. I tell you that was really a blessing.

Speaker 3:

It was a divine intervention, that was a divine meeting that God paired us up, because a 30-minute book call turned into a three-hour conversation and we have been brothers in Christ ever since and we just started talking about the Lord, what he's done for each of us, what he's done in businesses, what he's done in our personal lives and I got to tell you.

Speaker 3:

We're just like, okay, we're seeing so many similarities here that we just want to bring so much of this message to other people, especially people who are lost in their maybe, they're lost in their pain, they don't know what their purpose is, they're not really sure where God is in their lives. Rusty shared with me something very powerful that I'm going to turn it over and let him indulge your listeners with, and it's called Psalm's Path, and he really discipled this over me. He said I see you doing this. You probably don't even realize it. And when he discipled it over me, I was like dude, this is good stuff. This is good stuff. I wrote it on my whiteboard and I've been following ever since, and new doors of opportunity have just opened up. One of these opportunities is being on podcasts such as yours. So we just know that when we trust him more, when we commit our ways to him, he just opens up opportunities. So, rusty, I want you to share Psalm's path and really what it means for everybody here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I actually didn't realize Psalm's path. It took years for it to come into full focus for me, but I took scripture right out of the Bible and I built real medical with it. I'm not a doctor. I quit nursing school before I started. I've never owned a lemonade stand, I've never had a brick and mortar of any kind, but the Lord had laid it on my heart that you're going to create an integrative oncology functional medicine clinic in Scottsdale, arizona, and I'm the son of a stage four cancer survivor, so I had some type of idea in the realm cancer survivors. So I had some type of idea in the realm. I was a advocate for many years for cancer patients, as my mom had a miraculous healing from stage four, end of life non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. We started sharing her story on the internet but we found over the course of about 10 years, most cancer patients that went to Mexico and we were helping people find Mexico Turns out most eight out of 10 didn't want to go there and their family didn't want them to go there. So, as businessmen and having some acumen, the Lord was like you're going to open up a clinic in Scottsdale, so in 2019, we did, and it's a wonderful place of healing and it's growing. We're taking possession of a 16,000 square foot facility that's being custom made for us now and be open about January. But the purpose for me sharing all of that is not so we can say, hey, rusty, all right, it's a great place of healing. God forbid, anybody has cancer or knows someone with cancer, reach out to Brio Medical. We have the top clinicians in the country. It's absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 2:

But it's the Scripture that's most important and I had found in 2017, a Scripture jumped out off of the page Psalm 37, verse 4, delight also in the Lord and he'll give you the desires of your heart. I found out in other Scripture in my studies that in James, chapter 4, verses 1 through 3, our desires get people killed. These are horrible things to have. These desires start wars and fights among us. So why would the Lord give us the desires of our heart if they go and get people killed? And the answer is they're not ordinary desires. These are not desires that we concoct on our own behalf. These are what we call righteous desires, because in Isaiah 54, verse 17,. The Lord says and their righteousness comes from me, says the Lord. Righteous desires are what he wants to give us. Every Christian should reach out and want this. Not only does the Lord say he wants to give them to us, he guarantees the results. In Psalm 37, verse 5, he says when you trust the Lord and commit your way to him, he will bring it to pass. So this righteous desire that he wants for you, he wants to make it your reality.

Speaker 2:

Now it turns out, psalm's path, which is Psalm 37, verses 1 through 8, is an invitation to co-create righteous desires with the Lord. It's absolutely, and the Lord wants to equip us, just like he did the disciples back in the day when Jesus was there. He wants to elevate us. We know that righteous desires are not normal, because when you read in Ephesians 3.23, it talks about how they're bigger than you think and more than you ask for, according to his riches, not our own. So righteous desires are bigger than what we could make in our own human capabilities, and I offer my life as an example, because I put all of this to the test. The Lord laid it all out and made everything in my life. The Scriptures jump right off the page and became my life. So Psalm 37, verse 4, is the beginning of an invitation to co-create, which means that you and I that take a hold of this wonderful opportunity have responsibilities. He doesn't rue us.

Speaker 2:

So when you read Psalm 37, verse 3, 4, and 5, you see what the Lord says, that he wants you to do. It has nothing to do with your college education wants you to do. It has nothing to do with your college education, what color or race or gender or what continent you were born on None of this matters. What does matter is that you trust him. He wants you to do good, which is, display good fruits of the Spirit. He wants you to dwell in the land. This is about dwelling upon Him morning and night, right To think about Him. Also, feed on His faithfulness. That means you got to get tapped into Scripture. You got to be reading His Word on a daily basis. Then he says delight. Delight really means joy. What a wonderful thing that we are given.

Speaker 2:

No one should pass this opportunity up to actually enjoy a relationship with the Creator of the universe through Jesus Christ Phenomenal. Take a hold of what we've been given. Don't miss that invitation. Then, in verse 5, he says commit your way and trust in Him. When you do those things, he's going to give you a desire. It's going to be bigger than you think, more than you asked for, and he's going to make it your reality.

Speaker 2:

You'll find in John, chapter 15, verse 7 and 8, this comes really into full fortition as the Lord tells us why he does this Bait. It's bait, remember Jesus is only for fishers of men. Fishermen, don't go without that's bait. What is this bait? He's promising to give you something that you're going to really want. In return, he's going to get something he wants from you, and that's a disciple. And he tells us that in John, chapter 15, verse 7 and 8, you could ask anything you desire to be done for you. By this you'll show good fruit, right, our Father's glorified, and you show yourself where Jesus decided. So what a wonderful opportunity we've been given.

Speaker 2:

So Sean and I have taken upon ourselves. I've written a book it's in production right now. It should be out, hopefully in the fall called Psalm's Path, but we also offer this as a course. We'll have it on psalmspathcom shortly. It's really designed to take anyone who's looking for their higher purpose, no matter what it may be, and bring it into reality, this desire that the Lord has for you. He has it picked out, custom-made for each and every one of His children, right Custom-made by the Creator of the universe, just waiting for you to reach out and accept it. What a wonderful gift the Lord has given us, and the Scriptures prove it, and we know that you'll be getting answers to your prayers because in 1 Corinthians 1.20, where it says all the promises of God are yes and amen All of them.

Speaker 2:

So for those brothers and sisters that we have out there that don't get answers to their prayers, it's because they don't know how to live in the Lord's promises. When they do, all of their prayers will be answered with a yes. What a wonderful. What do you think?

Speaker 3:

I want to hear from Lemon. I would love to hear Lemon's what do you got Lemon?

Speaker 2:

What do you think?

Speaker 1:

No, I love this so much because I think I hear all the time from people that, oh God doesn't. It's better to be humble and he's not going to give you things. There has to be suffering, there's all the things that you have to have in order to be impactful, and I don't think that's necessarily true. Right, like I love that you said it's a yes and amen. I love that you talked about this righteous desire. Right, Because he's not going to give me like sinful desires. Right, it's the righteous desire. Right, because he's not going to give me sinful desires. Right, it's the righteous desire and just this big shift and there's so much I want to talk about. I love this conversation about he's going to give you desires that are bigger than yourself.

Speaker 1:

That's been very true in my experience where I've had I remember last year we were church my church funds our local Backpack Buddies ministry in full every year in one service, and I remember sitting there last year and all of a sudden I got the feeling like my business needs to match my church's donation because of the economy this ministry has to fund in full and I'm sitting here. I'm like there's no way that I got that, but my husband and my 10-year-old at the same time got the same thing. But for me they're like, mom, I think this is what you're supposed to do, and I'm like but yeah, but that's my heart, that's my passion and that's a righteous desire that I have. And, god, let me take this small thing that you thought you could do and expand upon it exponentially.

Speaker 3:

That's the key right there, lemon. The key is so many times, when we look at our lives and we look at what is God calling me to do, we can think on a big, grand scale and we're like this is never going to get done. But I would submit to you, and I would submit to anybody listening, that our smallest of actions, god, will turn into the biggest of miracles. I know that to be true with how me and Rusty met. A lot of people don't know this story, but I caught COVID as soon as I launched that reel, so I wasn't even able to follow it, keep up with the comments or the shares or any of that, because looking at my phone was like blinding me for seven days. So in the background, I'm complaining I'm sick, I need to be working right now, like I need to be doing more, and I can't do anything because my head is buried in a pillow. Yet this video has gone viral in the background, I don't even know it. So the next time I look at it, I went from 2,000 followers to 35,000. And it kept growing and it went well over 100,000 new followers in 28 days. Why? Just one simple action of stepping out of obedience, stepping out of faith and then put it in God's hands and then let him multiply it. We know that God is a multiplier. We know he's the greatest mathematician out there. His first command was be fruitful and multiply. So when we put it in his hands, he will do the work. This is why we want to trust in him. This is why we want to be faithful to him.

Speaker 3:

I love what Psalms chapter 1 talks about. We will be like a tree planted by the streams of water and everything. That tree will prosper, it will weather the storms, it'll always produce good fruit. Because, why? Because we're feeding on his faithfulness, because we're rooted in him. And that's what Jesus says again in John, chapter 15 is when you remain in me and my words remain in you, I am divine. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you desire and it will be done for you. It'll be given to you. But apart from me, you will be nothing. You can do nothing. So let's remain in the good word, let's remain faithful in our Lord and Savior. Let's lean on his promises, let's lean on his precepts. I submit to you that God is about just a few things. He's about His promises. He's about His principles and he's about His people.

Speaker 3:

Never does, never does.

Speaker 2:

It's important that we understand that the glory of the Lord is to work through us, and the Lord doesn't cut corners. He doesn't. He wants to do amazing things. He doesn't bring down the angels to do all of this work for us. He wants us to do it and he's called everyone. You're right, we all have the same mandate. We all have the same higher purpose, that's to be disciples who make disciples.

Speaker 2:

So if anyone who's I don't know what my higher calling is, because you haven't been paying attention, in fact, in Matthew 22, 29,. It is the epicenter of any and every thing that goes wrong in our life, any wall you can't get over or through, or if you don't know your higher purpose or calling. Matthew 22, 29 is what tells us why. Jesus is having a conversation with the Sadducees at the time, and so he's directing his speech to them and he says you're in error because you don't know the Scriptures nor the power of God. So if you're having some kind of problem or it could be anything, whether you don't know your higher calling or something's going wrong in your life, it's because you don't know the scriptures. Jesus is promising that if you know the scriptures you'll see the power of God. So this mountain you can't get over, you'll flatten it. This gorge that you can't cross, he'll bring it together right. The sea you can't get through, he'll part it. This gorge that you can't, you know, cross, he'll bring it together right. The sea you can't get through, he'll part it for you. He'll make a way. He's the way maker.

Speaker 2:

But we must open up our Bibles and know the Scripture. Now, the problem that we see with people is okay, I have my Bible, now, what Right? What scripture is it that I'm supposed to be reading? And they can get lost. They either don't know what to read or, when they do read it, they don't know what it is. Yeah, this is what Psalm's path was all about. It's some of the most life-transforming scriptures in the Bible. Outside of our thank you, lord, our salvation, did they ever tell you what the new life was?

Speaker 1:

No, of course they don't.

Speaker 2:

No, they don't. And it's just this go and be a good Christian, right? No, that's not what the Lord said. So Psalm's path is laser-focused, life-transforming scriptures that are all about what that new life is, and our churches are not doing our brothers and sisters a service at all. We found that 89% of most churchgoers don't know what their higher calling is. That means our churches are failing us, and so we're stepping in and doing our part, just like you, you're doing your part to bring that to our brothers and sisters.

Speaker 2:

What we're finding is that most people don't live in godly freedom in every aspect of their life, whether it's their mortgage or money should I say money or relationships. They're struggling, and if you don't know what it means to have godly freedom in a relationship, let's take that for an example. It means that you have to spend time working on. I've been married 31 years. Our marriage isn't work, it's a relationship, and my wife and I enjoy worshiping our father and having a relationship together. We don't work at our marriage. Our finances Sure, there's good times and bad times, there's ebbs and flows, but we live in godly freedom in our finances. I don't have to worry if the mortgage is going to get paid. I know it's going to get paid. I know these things are going to be taken care of. My relationships with my children. They're not trained, so does that make sense? You know that most of our brothers and sisters are not walking in Godly freedom, and here's why they don't know their identity.

Speaker 2:

Why did Jesus say you must be born again? This is a big one. When you're born, you have an identity. We're born into their home and they give us our identity. But when you're born again, you have a new identity and people don't know how to go and claim that. And we share this in Psalm's path, in our course and in the book.

Speaker 2:

It comes out of the book of Luke, 19, verse 11 through 26. It's the parable of the minutes, and this is where Jesus, between Palm Sunday and actually going to the cross, senses that hey, they're going to want to make him king, right. So he tells them this parable. But this parable is so profound. It's telling us exactly who we are as children of God here on this planet, and whenever the life everlasting comes into play more in his kingdom, he tells us what that's like too. What is it the parable of the men is, in short, what is it. The parable of the men is, in short, synopsis A noble man gives his servants today's maybe a million dollars or so with the money to go and invest, right? One invested it, turned it into 10. Another invested, turned it into five. And another one hit it. The one that turned one into 10, good, well done my faithful servant. Be in charge of 10 cities. The one with five. Be in charge of five cities. The one who buried it. You're a wicked servant, right? What does it represent? It represents Lord's.

Speaker 3:

Holy spirit that he gives you.

Speaker 2:

He gives you this wonderful, amazing gift of His Holy Spirit. A portion of that we are supposed to go and invest, go to work right and then build it, and when you put it to work, the Lord gives you more. What are we supposed to be doing here, lemon? We're supposed to be taking the portion of the Spirit that the Lord has given, put it to work. If you don't have a starting point, the Lord offers you that Enjoy a real relationship with me and I'll give you a righteous desire and I'll make it your reality. You're guaranteed to want it and you're guaranteed to get it right. This is an incredible offer and when you're working and living out that righteous desire, the Lord is going to elevate you so that you change the world around you.

Speaker 3:

This is our higher call.

Speaker 1:

This is our higher purpose.

Speaker 2:

What we haven't shared we keep this for the course is what's a righteous desire? It turns out there's five criteria to a righteous desire, so that people can actually test it. Because in 1 Thessalonians 5, the Scripture's telling us test all things hold fast what is good? When you have a desire, it's best that you know how to test it, to know that it is a righteous desire. So for those people who enroll in our course or acquire the book, give them those five criteria Absolutely and they'll know without a shadow of a doubt hey, this is a righteous desire the Lord has given me and therefore the answer is yes and amen. I will get it if I just do what he tells me to do, and one of them is don't fret, do not.

Speaker 1:

I love this and y'all I will link to everything in the show notes for you. But I love this conversation and I'm glad you brought up the church. I feel like the church as a whole right the big C church is failing believers in a lot of areas and I'm seeing a lot of people who are stepping out in really big callings and God is elevating them in these really big ways because they're bringing some truth that I feel like churches are not sharing anymore.

Speaker 2:

We do have an opinion.

Speaker 1:

I love opinions.

Speaker 2:

It appears that the church is interested in their growth, not yours. And who said that the next big revival is going to be in business? That was.

Speaker 3:

Billy Graham. Billy Graham said an evangelical movement will be in the marketplace.

Speaker 1:

That is really funny. My friend, michelle Schaefer she had this just downloaded into her spirit a couple of years ago that there would be a big revival and that it would come through marketplace ministry and that women would be a big proponent of it. And I was like I love it and that's the work she's doing. It's super cool. It's cool to see, I think, the way the Lord is just hey, it's time now, like we're ready, for some next level conversation.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's totally given us authority and tools that we never had before, and the reason the Lord wants to elevate you is what we teach in our course. You are supposed to increase your influence, Absolutely unequivocally. Each and every Christian is supposed to increase their influence, and the Internet allows us to do that. Look, you're a prime example of that right and so that we can train other disciples.

Speaker 2:

Right, when you look into the Scriptures, people were following disciples. Why? Because they were able to raise the dead, cast out demons, make the blind, see Jesus placed inside of them amazing gifts and people were drawn to them. We have the same Holy Spirit, and Jesus didn't stutter. He said you'll be able to do these things and more, because I'm going to send you a helper. This is no longer just an invitation, this is an obligation, and he's not going to ill-equip us. And the fact that our churches have not been huge advocates for this is where they're failing. They need to be building each and every person to go out there and be a disciple who's elevated. Draw their lives, their very lives, draw people to them and they make more disciples than yours, and I think that's where they're failing.

Speaker 1:

I love this conversation because I agree wholeheartedly and I love that you said, like the Lord does want to elevate you, that it's been 100% been my experience. The podcast wasn't something that I actually wanted to do. God and I argued about this podcast. Yes, people, you can argue with the Lord. I did it didn't. Obviously it didn't go in my yeah, it didn't go.

Speaker 2:

The way that you know, David Moe.

Speaker 1:

Right, obviously, I didn't win the argument because I started the podcast, but I had one in 2018. And I've said this before Don't Google it, you won't find it. It was the worst podcast ever on the internet. It's been scrubbed from the internet as best I can. It was awful, and so I do this again. But I was in such a different place with my faith that when I started the podcast, within a couple of months, we had the Forbes feature before we even hit our first year in the podcast and I'm like I got to talk about Jesus and Forbes, not once, but twice.

Speaker 2:

There's elevation for you. You've been walking some path, even though you may not have even realized.

Speaker 1:

Now I know I love it, but I do. I would love to know how you because I get this all the time too is, when I say things like this or when I present these kinds of concepts to people, I'll get hit, and I know it's going to hit my inbox. What do you do when people are like that's really prosperity gospel of you.

Speaker 2:

Agreed. And here's my answer to that this is prosperity gospel, 100%, but it's actually real prosperity gospel. This isn't like Joel Osteen, you want a breakthrough moment. No, this is actually the Lord's plan and he does want us to prosper. He wants people to be drawn to our lives. He wants us to be special. Right, we want our kids to be special, absolutely, but to?

Speaker 3:

what end? Domestic component, prosperity, gospel to what end? To bring honor and glory to our Father in heaven, showing yourself to be a disciple. Those two components are not there, then you are stepping out of place. Now you are maybe stepping into the greed and the prosperity that goes the other direction. And what's in it for me? No, what's in it for our Father in heaven. What's in it for others?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, remember, we're not talking about fleshly desire. So when someone is normally talking about prosperity gospel, they're talking about flourishing and fleshly desires. I wanted to picket fence right. Did that glorify the Lord, ammy? But did I get a big fat bank account? Do I have a nice car?

Speaker 2:

These are all fleshly things and the Lord's saying that when we pray about these things, we're praying amiss, which means you're praying inappropriate prayers and therefore he just ignores them. You're praying inappropriate prayers and therefore he just ignores them. But when we start chasing righteous desires, the things that the Lord wants to say yes to, yes and amen, you will get yes and you will be given an amen to them and, yes, you will prosper. It's not prosperity gospel in the sense of just fleshly desires. No, this is true prosperity gospel that the Lord wanted for each and every one of his children, for us to be elevated disciples lacking nothing, walking in godly freedom in every aspect of our lives, pouring ourselves out to others as a drink offering, showing ourselves as disciples of the Lord. That's actual, real prosperity gospel and that's why we wrote Psalms Path. It was actually King David that wrote it early right. I just happened to recognize that. The Lord just laid it on the heart. Words jump off of the page and I'm like I'm going to put them to the mat, so to speak, on that. And I started asking him by saying I don't know what I want. Would you give me a want?

Speaker 2:

And I prayed that for about two years and when the time was right, the Lord laid it in. I know exactly what I wanted. I said I know what I want. I'm going to go build this clinic. They did. We're against formidable opposition.

Speaker 2:

No one thought I could do it. They thought I was crazy. And the only ones who believed me were the ones that I was believing. And you know what? They still work with me today. My naysayers said congratulations, I didn't know you could do it. Guess what? That is all written right in the scriptures. I walked each and every one of those Scriptures so that I could be a living testimony today to say go, take Him for His Word. He will do these things for you and he tells you what to expect along the way and what he expects from you, and he guarantees you to make this your reality. It is absolutely incredible. Each and every one of your listeners. I thank you for allowing us to be here to share this with you. I would encourage them to connect with us, because what do we do? This course was 27 bucks, right $3.99.

Speaker 2:

The Lord said I remember asking. I was having a conversation with him. Same conversation over and over again for about two months. I'm like what?

Speaker 1:

do you want from me? What do you?

Speaker 2:

want from me. He says I want growth. Go figure, Every time the Holy Spirit speaks, it's congruent with whatever's in his Multiply Be fruitful and multiply right, make more disciples.

Speaker 2:

So yes, we do offer a very simple course that explains Psalm's path and what righteous desires are, how to identify them, what your responsibilities are as a co-creator Because, yes, the Lord does want to co-create with us. He manifests on your behalf, he will bring people into your life on your behalf. He will bring people into your life, he will orchestrate the circumstances and bring this wonderful righteous desire into your life. And then, guess what? Once you obtain that one, he'll give you more.

Speaker 3:

The safe desires of the heart Desires.

Speaker 1:

I love that we I feel I could do a whole episode later on just like linguistic theft and how culture and the big C church and things have taken these concepts and these words and changed them and manipulated them, where you're not actually getting real biblical truth, because I feel like we've touched on that a lot and I love it. I love this and I also love that you said you prayed about this for two solid years. It didn't happen overnight. You didn't just wake up. You're like I'm going to pray about this and tomorrow. Now I have this desire and my whole life is simple and a cakewalk, because I think that's what people expect to I'm just going to show up like a genie and wave a magic wand and everything's going to be fine. That's not. I really like that. You said this because there is some waiting sometimes and there is things you've got to walk through, like it is not all sunshine and rainbows. You've talked about the ebbs and flows and I'm obsessed with this conversation.

Speaker 3:

I'll just say that I'll touch on that real quick, because there might be someone listening today who says you don't understand my circumstance. I'm in pain right now, I'm going through the fire, and I'll say to that person you're right where God needs you to be, because he is going to take a situation that you are in and he can turn that to a greater purpose. We find this in Romans I think it's 828, for everybody, that the Lord turns all things to good, according to his purpose, to those who love him. Those are key components there, right? So this is what psalms path is all about is loving him, spending time with him, and then he gives us the light. You know, the delight to my heart. So, with that said, turn your pain to your purpose.

Speaker 3:

I made. I was someone who hated my life so much. I tried to end it in 2017, and it was all due to just a whirlwind of stuff that happened in my life, right? What I would say is today I serve a purpose because of my pain and what I went through, and so what I would offer the person today is stop focusing so much on your situation, stop focusing so much on your circumstances, stop focusing so much on your pain and where you're at, but instead start looking at what is God's purpose for me on the other side of this and I'll give you this little nugget, I'll give you this clue the person that you are most equipped to help or to serve, because 1 Timothy 4.10 says each one should use whatever gift they have received to serve others. Okay, we all have a gift, we all have a purpose, we all have these things, but the person you're most qualified to help is a person that you have already overcome. Are you standing on your story today? Have you overcome a trial? Have you overcome a challenge? Have you overcome alcoholism, drug use, pornography, being overweight? Use that to leverage your story, your testimony, to step onto your purpose to serve others, bring in glory and honor to our Father in heaven, and also to show yourself as your disciple.

Speaker 3:

I would say tap into these three things. We know that we're called to stewardship. Tap into your time. How are you spending your time? Are you trusting in Him more? Number two look at your talents. What are the gifts God has given you? What are the skills that he's given you? And number three what is your testimonial? What are the skills that he's given you? And number three, what is your testimonial. A lot of people say tap into your treasures. I say tap into your testimonial, tap into your story. Paul did it. He shared his testimonial over and over again. You could find it in Acts. You could find it in his letters. Matter of fact, you could see his own personal growth through his letters. You're paying real good attention to that. So tap into those three things. You'll discover your purpose, you'll discover what God wants for you and again you'll stop focusing so much on your pain and your service and you will see the light at the end of the tunnel and you can start moving forward towards it.

Speaker 1:

I love this.

Speaker 2:

I know that we could.

Speaker 1:

This is so good. I just want to thank you both for your service to the country, to what you're doing and the way that you're walking with the Lord and the way you're pouring that out. I think we do have such a responsibility and an obligation, and I am just super grateful that you both have answered the call that God has put on your life and the way that you're using it to pour out and glorify Him in the process. We just need more, especially men. I think we need more men doing that. I have a deep passion for this. I've told my husband this. He knows. I just think when men are really solid in their purpose and their walk with the Lord, it changes the entire world, and so I just want to thank you both for being those men.

Speaker 2:

So just thank you for being here. It's been our pleasure. We were called to do it. The Lord gave us righteous desires, we're living examples of the scriptures and the invitation is there for each and every one of us, right? Once you have Christ, you have all of these wonderful promises and the Lord says yes to all of them. But the Lord knew everyone was going—who would go to heaven and wasn't.

Speaker 2:

Why didn't he just make us there in the first place? Yeah, it seems like a reasonable question, right. Why not just put us there? Then there would be no hell, there would be no need for any of that. There is an answer In John 5, verse 17,. But Jesus answered them. My father has been working until now and I have been working. So if you're wondering, what's my life about? This, is it? The Lord didn't have corners. He put us through to do the work and he tells us what work he wants us to do, and then he says I'll equip you Now. Ephesians 3.20,. Bigger than you think, more than you ask, he's already embedded something in you, and we can see that in Philippians 2.13,. Right, it is the Lord who is working in you to will and to do according to his good purpose. Another word for will is desire.

Speaker 2:

So once you start, having a man, I want to have a right desire. Guess what that is? That's a righteous desire, and it's the Lord who puts it in there, because it's not actually in our nature to want to have a righteous desire, because it's bigger than it has. Kingdom purposes right, the Lord's not going to let us cut corners. You're right. It took me two years. I'm in this moment of I'm bankrupt. No one would know it took me two years. I'm in this moment of I'm bankrupt. No one would know it.

Speaker 2:

It was because he cut all the doors off. He cut my opportunity off and set in front of me a new goal, and so now I got nothing to lose and with that I charged that hill. I took it and made these amazing things happen. But it was something that he had embedded inside of me and I have a sneaky suspicion that's for every one of his children. It's something inside of you, but it's bigger than you think and it's more than you ask. But you will need to be patient and you will have to do real work to get it. But I guarantee you this you'll want it and it'll be worth it Amen.

Speaker 1:

I love that you said that it also takes work, because I think people forget that work was part of the original plan. It was a command to Adam before the fall. Before sin entered, he was told to go and work and take dominion and all of those things that happened before the fall. So work was always part of the equation. This is so good.

Speaker 2:

I can't get this done in 20 minutes.

Speaker 1:

I know we couldn't, and I love that. I love just the richness and the depth, and I feel like we've only scratched the surface of the depth that you bring to the conversation. So where can everybody go connect with you? And I'm going to link it in the show notes for them too.

Speaker 3:

Sure the best place. If anybody has any personal questions or wants to even start a conversation, find us on Instagram. We found that is just the easiest place with us inside the DMs, but it's Psalm's Path. No special characters, no punctuations, anything but Psalm's Path. On Instagram. You can start a conversation with us in the DMs. Follow us there. We're giving away a lot of good content in there as well, about righteous desires, how to turn your pain into your purpose, and so on and so forth. You'll see even more about our personal stories on there as well. Right now, you can download the ebook absolutely free and send us a DM Solomon's Path and we'll hook you up with the book. We'll just send it directly to you through the DMs. While we're currently working on our websites and as well as our courses and things of that nature, you can check us. Check out more at PsalmsPathcom if you want to, but I would say that Instagram Psalms Path that's going to be the best place to connect with us.

Speaker 2:

In the near future, we'll be loading ebookings there. Already on PsalmsPathcom, already on PsalmsPathcom.

Speaker 1:

All they got to do is just put in their name and email and we'll fire it off to you. I love it Y'all. I will link to everything and again, just thank you both. This was incredible.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 1:

Hey friend, what a joy it has been to share today's journey with you. If you found a spark of inspiration or a nugget of wisdom that resonated, would you bless someone else by sharing this episode with them? It could be the encouragement they need to step into their purpose and calling. Also, if you could spare a moment to leave a review, it would mean the world to me. I really appreciate your feedback and it really helps our community grow. Remember, the road to discovering God's call for you isn't one you have to walk alone. So join me again next Monday for another episode where we'll continue to explore the depths of leadership and the heights of our heavenly calling. Until then, keep seeking, keep growing and keep trusting in His plan. God bless you and I'll catch you on the flip side. Bye, friend.

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