Equipping Children with a Biblical Worldview: Insights from Elizabeth Urbanowicz #140

Join host Lemon Price on the 'Milk and Honey with Lemon' podcast as she welcomes Elizabeth Urbanowicz, founder of Foundation Worldview, to discuss the importance of equipping children with critical thinking skills and a biblical worldview.

Elizabeth shares her journey from being an elementary teacher to creating resources that help parents, churches, and schools train children to evaluate ideas and understand biblical truths. The episode covers essential topics such as balancing exposure to cultural ideas, intentional parenting, and the significance of discerning objective truth from subjective feelings.

Don't miss this enriching conversation that aims to empower parents to prepare their kids for today's world.

00:00 Welcome to Milk and Honey with Lemon
00:59 Introducing Elizabeth Urbanowicz
02:10 The Foundation of Foundation Worldview
05:21 Navigating Education Choices
08:50 Equipping Children with Critical Thinking
17:24 Practical Tips for Parents
26:42 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
30:01 Closing Remarks and Farewell

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Chapters

• 0:18 Empowering Women Through Education Choices
• 2:44 Equipping Children to Think Critically
• 15:52 Teaching Kids Truth vs. Emotion
• 20:02 Teaching Truth and Objective Reality
• 30:04 Inspiring Path to Purposeful Living

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:18

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Speaker 1: 0:59

Welcome back to the Milk and Honey podcast. I'm your host, lemon Price, and today I'm really excited because I have my friend Elizabeth Arbonicz here, and so you guys probably know her, and if you don't, you should, because she is the founder of Foundation Worldview. She is helping adults equip their children to evaluate every single idea and understand the truth behind a biblical worldview. She's just amazing. She has her master's in apologetics. She does all the things. She's been on probably every podcast now of Mike Winger, like Alisa Childers, like she's been everywhere, you should know her. If you don't know her, go follow her. But anyway, just thank you for being here, elizabeth. I'm excited that you're here.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Yeah, me too. Thanks so much for having me on today.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Lemon. I am really excited. So before we started recording, we were talking because listen her assistant, by the way, is like the best. She sent me a million great topics, but there was one I was like really excited to dive into and you guys are probably you've probably asked yourself this if you have children, do we homeschool or do we send our kids to public school? Do we go to private school? Do we go to a private Christian school? Like there's so many education options. Elizabeth is the perfect person to talk about this, because this is the experience that we have. So, elizabeth, before we dive in, will you give a background on how Foundation Worldview even came about, what you're doing, all the kind of fun things?

Speaker 2: 2:20

I know that on your podcast you talk a lot about finances and businesses and all that kind of stuff. So I'm sure that my background is similar to many people's and that what I'm doing right now I love. But I didn't have any plans for doing this. It was something that the Lord just brought me into step by step. So my background is in education and I spent the first decade of my professional career as an elementary teacher in a Christian school just outside of Chicago and I loved teaching there. I loved teaching there. I love teaching. I love getting to teach the whole truth.

Speaker 2: 2:44

But I noticed a problem several years into my teaching experience that my students. They came from intentional Christian homes. I'm passionate about God and his word, so I was giving them a biblically based education all day long. Most of them were involved in a local church, but they still were rapidly absorbing ideas from the culture without any question. And so I just went on a quest to look for what resources can I use to equip my students to think critically? Whether it's in a conversation on the playground, whether it's they're watching a YouTube video, whether it's they're reading a book, whatever, I just wanted them to pause and ask themselves what did I just hear? Is it true? Is it not true? How do I know? Does it line up with scripture? Does it not line up with scripture? And so I went on this search for materials and everything I found was for high schoolers on up, and I thought I'm so grateful that these materials exist.

Speaker 2: 3:33

But if I'm seeing this problem with my students who are eight and nine years old, if we wait until they're 16, like we've lost almost a whole decade of training time. And so when I couldn't find anything, I just thought you know what? I guess I'll start reading some books, go into some seminars and I started creating my own resources. And it just caught on like wildfire. And before I knew it was happening, people were contacting me from all over saying how can we get our hands on what you have?

Speaker 2: 3:55

And I was like I'm a third grade teacher, I'm not a publishing house, I don't have anything for you. I'm really sorry, but that kept happening over and over again. So eventually, while I was teaching that's when I went back to school got the master's in Christian apologetics, just to make sure I really knew what I was talking about. And then, halfway through that degree, I left teaching to start Foundation Worldview. And what we do at Foundation Worldview is we seek to create easy to use and easy to implement materials for parents, for churches, for Christian schools, so that they can train the children that God has placed in their care to carefully evaluate every idea they encounter, so they can understand the truth of the biblical worldview.

Speaker 1: 4:35

Okay, I love that. I feel like most of the women I've talked to lately did not intend to start a business. This wasn't their goal. It was more like I see a need and I need to meet the need, and now they're having this beautiful impact. I feel like I'm seeing it a lot more lately with women who are just like man. I really want to serve this particular community in this particular way. This is the talents that God's given me, and then he's blessed you with this thing, probably beyond what you imagined it could be, and so I love that you have resources for parents, for like schools, for churches, like for literally everybody, because I know like when we were homeschooling and stuff like I needed so many. It was an abundance of resources that we needed. And so, since we're talking about this kind of topic, I would love to know do you feel like, with what's going on in public schools, have you seen an uptick in the need for what you're doing, and how has that impacted what you're doing?

Speaker 2: 5:36

Since 2020, across the board in the nation there has been a mass exodus from public schools, not necessarily in more conservative regions of the country, but in certain regions of the country there's just been a mass exodus. I know one of the men on my team. He lives in Texas and he was telling us how they just got a letter from their school district saying that two of the elementary schools were closing down simply because so many people had pulled their kids out to homeschool them or to put them in Christian school. I know that the Christian school where I used to work they're doing a massive building campaign because when I was there they had two sections per grade level, but ever since COVID they've had four sections per grade level. So it's just all across the country we are seeing more parents choosing Christian education or choosing homeschooling, and I think you know we just have to be aware I'm not making a blanket statement because I can't, because I don't know people's children, like our individual home situations and so we are seeing a need for what is for what we're doing at Foundation Worldview, not just because of public education, but just because of what's going on in our world in general Several factors, even if we're very careful about limiting the amount of screen time our children have and limiting what apps they can go on, what shows they can watch, because of the prevalence of screen screens. In one year of our children's lives they're going to receive more competing ideas and messages than most throughout the course of history have received in their entire lives. So, whether our children are public schooled, school or homeschool, they all need to be equipped with solid, quality thinking skills to know how to evaluate the different ideas that come their way.

Speaker 2: 7:14

And then, especially with what we're seeing not only in public schools but just in our culture at large, where so much of the language that is used has been twisted to make something that really does not align with scripture, almost make it sound like it aligns with scripture we need to equip our children to actually think through the definition of words.

Speaker 2: 7:37

For example, it's very popular right now, especially in public schools, to at one point throughout the day or a couple times throughout the week, to have a social emotional learning class. Social and emotional learning sounds great. I mean, what parent doesn't want their children to have positive social skills? What parent doesn't want their child to learn how to regulate their emotions in a positive way. Those are beneficial things, and that's what these curriculums and what these classes are labeled. However, what most parents don't know is that in these classes, words like empathy and kindness the definition has been twisted in a way that actually doesn't align with what true empathy and kindness are. For example, in these courses, children are taught certain things about gender identity and how someone's lived experience or someone's personal feelings.

Speaker 1: 8:29

I think that no matter what situation our children are in, whether they're in public school, private school or homeschooled we need to equip them with skills to evaluate the ideas that they encounter, so that they are not taken captive by these hollow and deceptive philosophies that are cloaked in really positive and sometimes even oh, I love this, I'm like a nerd, so I have an English degree, so I'm such a nerd about like linguistic theft and like definitions of words and what words mean and how it plays out Like this is a conversation my kids and I have on a regular basis is what do words actually mean? What does scripture say and I love that you're like feelings say. The Bible says to our feelings are fickle, like we can't trust our feelings actually. And oh, I love that I could have a whole, we could do a whole episode.

Speaker 2: 9:39

Maybe we should one day because it is.

Speaker 1: 9:43

It's really important and like and I love that you said our kids are exposed to so much. So I know our school, so I feel like privileged because I live in rural Georgia and my teachers are playing like worship music throughout the day and they're like recommending churches. There's no issue there. Necessarily. We had an issue two years ago with a teacher trying to promote some like her ideology and and it was really her ideology was very, it was super interesting. It was probably as not biblical as one could get ideologically and so it honestly it forced my kids a little bit to start questioning things and we just had an issue.

Speaker 1: 10:21

Even like last week there is a student that my youngest was friends with and presented mail, used like the boys bathroom, all those things, and when my husband and I, when we met them, we were like I don't actually I'm not like a hundred percent here on this, and all of a sudden he started questioning. He was like wait a minute. He was like actually like, but you guys are like getting the full, but like never use the urinal and like it's always like very protected and guarded, and like we talked to the parents and like this that's like normal in their household and he was able to pick up like oh wait, a minute, hold. What like I'm seeing and what I'm being told isn't actually like reality, which was like hard. It was hard for him too. They've been friends since like kindergarten and he's in fifth grade and it like crushed his whole reality of who this person was.

Speaker 1: 11:17

I've been telling him like that's so hard. But also I'm really proud of you for having critical thinking skills. We're trying, we're trying, and so that's where I think it's hard, because as a parent, you want to shelter your child from things like I don't want you to be exposed to these awful things. But then also I feel like we've benefited from it a little bit and it could be because we have such open dialogue in our household. But it's hard. I think it's a hard balance. So, like, how do you balance that? How do you, if you're like a parent and you're listening, like how do you juggle exposure versus keeping your kid protected?

Speaker 2: 11:56

Yeah, I think. So I'm going to give some broad advice, but then also say that I think you really have to consider each child independently, because God has designed each child differently. They have a unique set of skills and strengths and weaknesses, personality, all of these different things. And so I can't just say, just do this for your child and everything will turn out fine, because it's like every child is different. So I think the one thing that we can say across the board is intentionality. We can't just make any default decision for our child and just say, oh, you know what, I haven't really thought about this, but I'm just going to do this because it's what's always been done. We have to be intentional at making sure we're thinking and praying through okay, god, like this child that you have given me, like what is actually best for them. And so an analogy that I like to give is, I think, bad ideas, false ideas really a good analogy is germs or viruses, because bad ideas are really infectious that we tend to pick up bad ideas just by being around others who have bad ideas, just like we tend to pick up viruses just by being around others who are carrying those viruses.

Speaker 2: 13:01

And when I was a teacher. Basically all my life I've been a germaphobe so I like I do not like germs. I've grown a little bit out of my germaphobiness. But when I was a teacher, my first year, I got sick a ton. Just like all first year teachers, you get sick a ton. Your second year you're supposed to get sick like still a ton, but a little bit less. And by your third year you're supposed to be pretty much immune. So you get like maybe sick once or twice a year, but not a ton, where for me, just the opposite happened. I got sick a lot. My first year I got sick even more. My second year and my third year I was on almost eight rounds of antibiotics before Christmas even came. And so eventually I went to my doctor and I was like, okay, we need to stop it with the antibiotics. I want to stop treating like the symptom and I want to get to the root of like, why am I getting sick so often? And so what the doctor did is he sat down with me and he actually took time and he asked me some questions and he said well, can you tell me how often you wash your hands? And I was like, oh, I teach in this mobile classroom, which is a glorified trailer, there is no sink, so I use hand sanitizer. And he was like okay, how often do you use hand sanitizer? I was like, hey, how often do you use hand sanitizer? I was like, oh, probably like 30 to 50 times a day. And he was like ding, here we have the problem.

Speaker 2: 14:05

He was like Elizabeth, if you are using hand sanitizer that often, he's like what you're doing, you're killing all of the bacteria and viruses on your hand. You're also killing all the good bacteria. He's like you're not letting yourself getting exposed to these viruses and bacteria in very small doses. He said you should be washing your hands before you eat food, before you rub your eyes, your nose or your mouth. He's like not all throughout the day, he said, because you need to build up immunity. And so he said what I want you to do. I want you to try to wash your hands instead of using hand sanitizer. And he's like, whether you wash your hands or use hand sanitizer, I only want you to do that before you eat or before you go to rub your eyes, nose or mouth. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is going to be so hard. But I followed his advice and I didn't get another sinus infection for five years because my body actually built up some immunity, and it's similar with bad ideas and our kids.

Speaker 2: 14:58

We don't want to sanitize every single thing that our kids see, because if we do, if we sanitize every single interaction and every single media that they're presented with and every single book, what's going to happen is then one day, when they're let out into the world, they're going to be their immune system like their immune system for ideas. Their mental immune system is going to be very weak and they're going to be very easily taken captive. Where we also don't want to just go and kick our kids out without any training, but we want to just prepare them to be exposed to false ideas in healthy doses. And this is where it depends on the child. For some children, someone might live in a more conservative area of the country where, yes, the school system is impacted by some of the things that are going on with gender and sexuality and other ideologies, but for the most part, the teachers are good. What they're using is fine.

Speaker 2: 15:52

Knowing who your child is, you think you know what. I think I can send my child to this school. We can have good conversations, I can be training them in scripture, grounding them in God's word, and I think they're going to do okay. This is a healthy amount of exposure when for some other children that might be too much, that might be too much, and so we just have to make the decision based on who our child is, where we live and the situation that they're going to be in, because you just mentioned how your son really struggled with finding out that.

Speaker 2: 16:27

Oh my goodness, I didn't correctly understand who this friend was, but he was at a place in his development and your training of him. It was difficult, but it was not a weight that was too big for him to bear, where, if your son was in first grade and he had a friend who was openly transitioning and all day long he was required to call this friend by an alternate name, an alternate pronoun For a six-year-old for most six-year-olds it's going to be too big of a weight for them to bear, and so I would just really encourage parents to be intentional. We want healthy exposures to false ideas, but that has to be accompanied by good questions and relationship building with the parent, sound critical thinking skills and then evaluate okay, is this still a healthy environment for my child? Is this still healthy doses of false ideas? Or is this too much for where their mental immune system is right now?

Speaker 1: 17:13

Oh, I love that. You just called it a mental immune system. I got it. Put that on a t-shirt or something for the company because I would buy that t-shirt. But okay, so I love this conversation. So then, how would you recommend maybe talking to your kids, because I know this is how I ended up in apologetics in the first place. It's talking to women all the time. You were like I can't talk to my child the way you do because I didn't go to seminary or I don't have these schools. I don't know how to answer their questions or what's your best advice, maybe for the parents who are listening. That all sounds good, but I don't know what I would do if my child came home and told me about this ideology happening at school. I don't feel equipped to answer that.

Speaker 2: 17:55

Yeah, I think the basic skill that we need to make sure that we have solid and that we train our children in, is discerning the difference between a claim that is objective, meaning that it's either true or false, versus a claim that is subjective it's just something that's based on emotion or preference. Objective is something that's either true or false, it's outside of our control versus something that is subjective it's just based on emotion or personal preference. Because what our world is preaching so much to us now is that our inner, subjective, emotional world is the best guide to reality where that is simply not true. In the book Mama Bear Apologetics I love the way they said it they say that emotions make a wonderful check engine light but a terrible GPS, that emotions tell us hey, something's going on, I need to figure out what's going on. But if we let our emotions lead, those emotions might lead us to a place of untruth. So a simple way to do this. So I'll just give a few examples for moms who have kids of different ages. If you have littles, if you have kids seven on down, just give them a simple definition of truth and just say truth is what is real. Actually, any age child just say truth is what is real. Give them this basic definition and then you can play a little game and you can say okay, we're going to play a game and I'm going to tell you some sentences. Some of these sentences are going to be true sentences. Some of these sentences are going to be true sentences. They're going to show you what's real. And if you hear a true sentence, I want you to spread your arms out like an X and say true, some of the sentences I tell you they're not going to be true, they're going to be silly sentences. They will not show what is real. And when you hear a sentence like that, I want you to cross your arms and say not true. Like I always like to talk about dogs, because most kids love dogs, and so you can say puppies are baby dogs. Then you can give them a silly sentence that's not true. Like puppies run on the ceiling oh my goodness, that is not true. And just keep playing this true, not true game. So you're creating in their mind these mental categories of this is true or this is not true For older kids, for kids like roughly eight to 12, one Saturday, just find something that your children would consider.

Speaker 2: 20:02

Hide it somewhere around the house and write out different sets of directions for finding that prize. The key is only one set of directions can be the true set of directions. And then tell them hey, I've hidden this thing around the house. There's only one of it, so only one of you is going to get it. I've written out some directions. Some of them are true directions. They're going to show you where the prize really is. Some of them are not true directions. They're not going to show you where it really is. Then send them out on the hunt. Only one child is going to find this.

Speaker 2: 20:28

And then come back and debrief, like why was your brother, why was your sister, the only one that found this? Because they had the directions that showed what was real. They had the directions that were true. So just to solidify in older kids' minds that truth is what is real and with older kids you can even take it a step further. Now what if you had believed with your whole heart that your false set of directions was true? If you believe that with your whole heart would you have found the prize? Then no, because it doesn't matter how much you felt it or believed that it was true, it was false and so you still wouldn't have found the prize.

Speaker 2: 21:03

Then, after that, we want to introduce the concept of subjective feelings or emotions, and so, with little ones, play that same true, not true game, but this time add in feelings and say I might give you a sentence that shares someone's feelings. When I do that, I want you to give yourself a hug and say feelings. So play the same game. Choose any object, like the dog. Say puppies are baby dogs. That's true, puppies run on the ceiling. That's not true. And then add in a feeling sentence and say puppies are fun. That's a feeling. Many people feel like puppies are fun, but some people, when puppies are chewing on their sofa, do not feel like puppies are fun and so just keep playing this game. So then they have these three mental categories that's true, that's not true, that's a feeling. And it's amazing what can happen.

Speaker 2: 21:48

We've here at Foundation Worldview, in our biblical thinking track of our we have curriculums for kids ages 4+, 8+ and 12+, and in our biblical thinking track all three curriculums start off with this unit on truth. And we had a mom right into our ministry who had taken her son through our biblical worldview curriculum for kids four plus and she told us about a situation in her son's school where her son was in second grade at the time. She picked him up from school, he got in the car and she was like hey, bud, how was your day? And he's like mom, it was such a weird day. And she was like what was so weird about it? And he was like our teacher was absent and we had a substitute and the substitute was a man but he was wearing a dress and he wanted us to call him Mrs. So the mom said she's internally freaking out because they haven't had a transgender talk at the age of seven. But she just responded by saying what did she think of that? He was like mom, it was so sad. And she said oh interesting, why did you think it was sad? He said because the truth is that he is a boy, that's what his body shows. But he's choosing to believe his feelings instead of the truth. And so she had, by just playing that simple game with her son the true, not true feelings game she had set him up for a situation she didn't even realize was coming, but he was able to look at that situation and say, oh, this man is believing his feelings rather than the truth. And so this is what we want for all our kids.

Speaker 2: 23:10

With older kids, we can even teach them the terms objective and subjective. If something's objective, it's either true or false. If something's subjective, it's just a personal feeling. And then we can give kids examples like saying earth is round, is that objective or subjective? It's objective. But also saying earth is flat is also objective, it's objectively false. But that's the whole point of objective statements.

Speaker 2: 23:30

And then sometimes, if we're working with older kids kids 10 on up they might push back a little bit, just because they've been so indoctrinated by the culture to believe that feelings are the best guide to reality. We can say well, you know what, think about it this way. What if we have a friend who's really depressed? And this friend is really struggling with depression? Are his feelings pointing him to the truth? And in that situation it's clearly obvious no, his feelings are not pointing him to the truth. He feels, he completely feels and believes that he is worthless. But what? The truth of that situation is that he is an image bearer of the holy God. He has incredible value. He is loved by God. He's loved by his family. Everyone's life is richer because he is there, and so sometimes an emotional situation like that can help.

Speaker 2: 24:13

Older kids who are pushing back say oh, you know what?

Speaker 2: 24:16

Sometimes feelings don't actually point us towards what is true.

Speaker 2: 24:19

So that would be my first recommendation for anyone who's I don't know how to have these conversations with my kids. If you can just give your kids these mental boxes of true, not true, and feeling, that will really lay the foundation for every other conversation that you're going to have with them. And then, if anyone's interested in more information, at our ministry website, foundationworldviewcom, we have tons of resources that you can actually implement with your children, because that's really our goal. That I'm single. I'm not married, I don't have any children of my own, but what I do have is the gift of time. So we're busy moms who are raising their kids and trying to keep a household together, and many of them running businesses. You don't have time to actually sit down and think through how do I actually go through all of these things with my kids? So we try to make it easy for you so that you can just easily implement the materials that we've taken the time to create so you can train your children to think in this way.

Speaker 1: 25:12

I love this game and my kids are home. Today, guys, we're recording this during Hurricane Debbie, so my kids are home, so I have a lot of time to talk to them today, just about this. And we have long car rides all the time. We live an hour from church, so we go to church all the way down near Savannah, so we're driving an hour to church. We have a lot of time to have conversation. I love this game because they oh my goodness, I just think it's so smart. It's so smart we have.

Speaker 1: 25:38

I remember my grandmother. She said to me before she passed a couple years ago she's, you have to pair it so differently than I did she's. There's no like advice that I can necessarily give you, because the world in which you're raising your children is not even. It wasn't even on my radar to have these kind of conversations about being transgender or any of these. My youngest came home and he was talking about somebody being bisexual and I was, like, where have you heard this term? You're 10. Like, where have you? I definitely did not know what that was at 10. And so I love that you've put these resources together to make it easy for parents because, yeah, the world we're parenting in is not the one even that we were raised in, Like you and I are both the same age.

Speaker 1: 26:21

This is not the world that we were even raised in, and so I'm so grateful for you putting just these resources together and y'all. Elizabeth was so nice. She has sent a discount code for everybody on here who's listening, so you can actually use the code Lemon10, and you can actually get 10% off of her, which is just so beyond generous. Elizabeth, if you were to leave because we could be here for hours, I'll be so honest. If you were to leave them with final advice on making this decision and just talking to their kids, what would you say?

Speaker 2: 26:55

Where to school children? Where?

Speaker 1: 26:57

to school, how to talk to your kids if they are in school. Whatever final advice God's telling you to leave yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:04

In the first chapter of James, the Apostle James tells us that if any of us lacks wisdom, we should ask God, and he will give generously to all. And so we have this promise that when we're seeking God and there's a situation where we don't know what to do, we can trust that he will give us the wisdom that we need. Now we would really prefer if that was an audible voice or something directly written out, to be like oh, these are the three steps I need to do, thanks God. Where it usually doesn't work out that way, usually we're left to be like okay, this is what I think is the right decision, lord, I'm going to move forward with it, but we can trust that God is going to give us the wisdom that we need. And I said to start off, I really think intentionality is the biggest piece.

Speaker 2: 27:42

So anybody who's here who's thinking I don't know, my kids are in public school. I don't know if I should pull them out. Or, like my kids are in a private Christian school, I don't know if it's worth the money. Or I'm homeschooling my kids. I don't know if this is the best decision for them Right now.

Speaker 2: 27:54

Stick with what you and be intentional about praying that the Lord would make it abundantly clear to you if you need a different educational setting for your child. I would also encourage you just to seek out wisdom from others that God has given us, the body of Christ. We're not called to do life alone, so seek out wisdom from those who know you well, from those who know your children well, from those who know your community well. What are their thoughts? Ultimately, you are going to be the one that has to make the decision here, but you can allow others to speak into that. So that would be my final word of advice to really be intentional, to seek out what the Lord would have for your children and to trust that God will give you the wisdom that you need when you need it.

Speaker 1: 28:42

I love that advice. I love the intentionality it is so important and I love that you've made it easy for us to be intentional with our family. So I thank you for being here. Where can everybody go to find and connect with you and all of the fun things?

Speaker 2: 28:56

Yeah, I'm really bad at social media, so that's not a great place to connect with me, but unfortunately you can go to social media to connect with our company. Someone else runs that on my team. If you go to foundationworldviewcom, that's where you can find out all the information about all the different things that we're doing and the resources we have available to help you as you're seeking to parent your children.

Speaker 1: 29:14

Oh my gosh, guys, please go connect with her and, like I said, she was kind enough to offer you guys a discount on her stuff so you can use Lemon10 and you can go get 10% off. Go do it. We all know it's going to get. It's going to be a weird year. We already know it's an election year. I feel like the year always gets weird in election year. So you want to be equipping your children? Please go equip your children, the children.

Speaker 1: 29:44

I think that we could probably have a larger conversation about how that was like the how we ended up here as a society because we didn't have equipped children, like equipped generations at all. So I just want to thank you for being here, my friend. This was so good. Maybe we'll have to come back and talk about linguistic theft at some point, because that is like one of my favorite topics. So you are super appreciated. This was super great, and I just thank you for being here, my friend, having been great to chat with you today.

Speaker 1: 30:04

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